ESL don't have to delete his own memory

Date: Friday 5 May 2006
ESL = Electronic Sports League - http://www.esl.eu/?selectcountry=1

Hello,

I'm "Jcette", ESL admin since May 2005 and one of the greatest ESL fan (more than 1000 1on1 matches played on it, http://www.esl.eu/eu/player/674656), I pay for my whole team to stay premium only because I want to support ESL, I have an ESL T-shirt and more...

But now I fully realize that ESL has no respect for all of us, from simple visitor to master admins.

The fact is that the ESL deletes the web memory!

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- 1st look at the main "competitor", Clanbase archive system:

HL DM Cup Fall '99 International?
Groupstage ranking:
http://www.clanbase.com/rating.php?lid=204
and admins match reports :
http://www.clanbase.com/news_league.php?lid=204

Q2 CTF Belgium old ladder?
http://www.clanbase.com/rating.php?lid=2

12 Nov 1998 ladder match score?
http://www.clanbase.com/warinfo.php?wid=23

23 June 1999 ladder Match report?
http://www.clanbase.com/warrep_show.php?wid=12008&cid=1243

Spring 2000 Cups list?
http://www.clanbase.com/hof.php?season=8

17 April 2000 Cup match screenshots?
http://www.clanbase.com/news_league.php?nid=51296&mid=284&lid=241

Match comment for Q2 DM Cup Spring 2000 final?
http://www.clanbase.com/news_league.php?nid=51595&mid=594&lid=241
Hi VoO :p

-> Conclusion: CB archive system is one of the most efficient, you can access to ALL old Cups and ladders, matches scores and if they were made in the past: screens, match report and comments!

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- Now take a look at the ESL archive system:

I have taken a Q3 team at random for this example, "GermanPsychoForce": http://www.esl.eu/eu/team/411764
Let's look at their archived matches:
http://www.esl.eu/eu/q3/team/archived_matches/411764
Q3:Arena Team Deathmatch Ladder:
"Tuesday, 08/03/04 20:00 -1 GermanPsychoForce (2.) vs. isnogud.tdm squad (1.)"
Let's see this match:
"Not Found - The requested URL was not found on this server."
http://www.esl.eu/de/q3/tdm/ladder
Not Found
http://www.esl.eu/eu/q3/tdm/ladder
Not Found
http://www.esl-europe.net/de/q3/tdm/ladder
Not Found
In fact it's because the whole Q3 TDM ladder has been DELETED! and by this way all matches scores, report, screens and comments also.

Maybe it will be better for Cups, let's try:
Q3:Arena Team Deathmatch Summer Cup :
"Sunday, 08/31/03 22:00 0 GermanPsychoForce (0.) vs. rewind.q3 (0.) "
Not Found
Yes they also delete Cups!

And now the most unbelievable:
I take my team, "Fashion Victims": http://www.esl.eu/eu/team/831524/
What was our score in UT2004 TDM Spring Cup 2006 Groupstage Div 2?
I don't remember then let's look:
"wins SkyRiders - UT2004 +3 Sunday, 04/23/06 20:00"
http://www.esl.eu/eu/ut2004/tdm/springcup/gs_div2/match/3467750/
Not found
What (the fuck)? This match has 12 days old!!
I can't believe it! The whole UT2004 Spring Cup groupstages div1, 2 and 3 has been deleted, only 2 days after playoffs start

-> Conclusion: ESL archive system is one of the worst I ever seen. Many ladders and cups has been deleted and now lost forever, without any respect or consideration for those, admins, players, teams or visitors that spent times on it and people who actually want to consult it.

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Why they delete so much things (because hardware/storage problem or navnodes clarity for example) is NOT our problem, one other major league manage archives very well then ESL can and MUST also do it.

The web memory is the most sacred thing in Internet.
Many things are already lost because a single man/woman had clicked on the "delete" button without any respect for hundreds/thousands and even sometimes million of people that worked and spent hours/days/months and even sometimes years of their lifetime on the website/forum/images and more...

Then what can we do about ESL?
Nothing it seems but if we convince the Head of ESL maybe they will be no ladder/cup delete anymore in the ESL.

To reach this objective let's try a petition.
In France we say "qui n'essaie rien n'a rien" (Who does not test anything does not have anything)

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URL of the petition:
Here on http://www.petitiononline.com/esl/petition.html

Object of the petition:
"We want never again that ESL delete any ladder/cups/league, all must be fully accessible forever"